At Outback Therapeutic Expeditions, our highly trained staff is dedicated to improving the lives of troubled teens and their families. Your child’s safety is our top priority. In order to ensure their safety, each staff member has passed an extensive background check and has successfully completed training in first aid, CPR, outdoor living skills, and the industry-leading Outback Training Program. The Outback Therapeutic Expeditions staff also participates in weekly service training. At Outback, we maintain a two-on-one practice, never allowing one of our troubled teens to be alone with a staff member.
I love working with boys struggling with substance abuse. Having worked with murdering drug dealers in the prison system, I feel comfortable teaching a kid that is using heroin regularly or a kid that is smoking low grade marijuana on the weekends. Depending on the child’s personality, I like using a mixture of the traditional 12 step approach and the 7 Challenges model. But beyond any clinical footwork, the majority of what I do is help kids that are locked in a place of denial and blame move towards a state of acceptance and change.
Most troubled teens need to push against the proverbial fence to test its strength and make sure it will keep them safe. I like working with the type of kid that runs full speed into the fence because they’re searching so desperately for loving boundaries that can keep them safe. As a combat veteran, I’m not easily intimidated by angry teenagers. I’m a direct person — it doesn’t bother me when a kid tells me where to go and how to get there. I’ve had a lot of success helping these kids turn opposition into commitment, dedication and resilience. My favorite part of being a therapist is designing hands-on interventions that invite teens into powerful and emotional spaces of change.
I’ve heard that therapists tend to treat the type of client they most resemble. I love the type of kid I work with — when you look beyond their external behaviors they are adventurous, dedicated, and full of passion.
I am the father of 3 daughters ranging from 4 months to 9 years. My favorite thing to do is spend time with them and my wonderful wife. We love to go sledding and ice skating in the winter, and hiking and swimming in the summer. I love using my hands and creative energy to make things. I’ve made wooden spoons, willow baskets, drums, and bows and arrows, but I also like to do home renovation projects like laying tile, painting and doing electrical work. My wife and I were both Outback staff members when we met, and we enjoy brainstorming about work-related topics. I used to be an avid rock and ice climber, but I eventually discovered the meaning of middle age once we were married and had children. My future goals are to begin running Tough Mudders and get my girls into climbing and mountain biking.
I start off working hard to gain a fast connection with people. People want to know that you care about them and you understand. Part of this process of therapeutic alliance involves finding where you can agree on the direction of treatment. Therapeutic alliance is one of the highest correlated factors for treatment success that is backed by research. It is easy to say and harder to achieve. So I make it a focus since I know that I have small window in which to achieve it. As that relationship is forming in those first couple of sessions I begin to find where I can challenge and invite perspective changes. At that point those two processes become a feedback loop with alliance needing maintained and the inviting of change being a part of that relationship. All of this is framed and driven by a core understanding of skill’s oriented treatment vs motivation/insight oriented treatment. Examples of skills would include, emotion regulation, perspective, executive functioning (Manage time and attention (perseverance) Switch Focus (flexibility) Plan and Organize (initiate) Curb inappropriate speech or behavior (inhibition) Integrate past experience with present action (metacognition). Expected too, and yet not able to use life experience to modify behaviors), etc… When I enter the relationship with the skills perspective it allows for an opening. The opening is that the individual doesn’t feel pressure from me to change. Instead they experience a hope from me that over time with lots of practice and a different mindset things can get better. The strategic part of my approach comes in when we realize that the individuals I work with have been engaged in negative self protection for a long time. Knocking on the front door is not an option. I have to shift, maneuver, bob, weave, duck, wait, engage, back off, listen, approach, slow down, speed up, engaged, disengage, reflect, challenge, validate, be firm, allow for escape, invite, etc… all at the right times and in the right ways to help someone begin to consider that change is safe. Then I have to do all of those same things to help implement a sustainable change process. Then I have to do all of those same things to help them sustain that implemented process. Then I have to do all of those same things to give that process over to them completely. And lastly, this process allows for a wonderful assessment of who they really are and what they need for their future. I do not rest until we find a sound understanding of who this wonderful person is!
I also love helping parents make this shift and to see things from this new perspective. For parents it is the shift to relationship first, and a change in perspective for them. This opens them up to learn to trust their instincts again as parents from this new framework. It has been difficult for them as parents because they feel like they are to blame and they are trying to find that one thing that is going to change things. So, that blame/fix framework combined with their child’s unmanageable behavior leads to family trauma, which necessitates family healing.
I love running. I have completed 11 marathons. I enjoy all things outdoors but most of all hiking. My favorite hike was the Trans-Zion national park hike I did with my son his senior year in high school. Growing up my father and uncles played the guitar. I have many memories sitting around the campfire singing songs with them playing. I realized several years ago that no one had learned to play the guitar in my generation and the tradition might be lost so I self-taught how to strum and play the songs that my father played. I love spending time with my family. I am married with four children. My son is my oldest and he has graduated from High school and I have 3 daughters. They are the joy in my life and I love watching them learn, struggle, play and grow. Lastly I love traveling. More specifically I love traveling to tropical places.
I have a great appreciation for the role of the student and the parent. The process of change is difficult and requires the student to really get out of his or her comfort zone. Change takes a lot of courage. I’m passionate about helping a student move from a shame-based view of self to learning to forgive and love themselves. I believe that once a student can love and forgive his- or herself, this love and forgiveness starts to spread to parents and others in their lives. I also love to see a student move from being powerfully destructive at home to becoming powerfully constructive. Our students come to us with misdirected power and often learn how to shift this power in a positive direction. These traits are present in the student with substance abuse issues, oppositional issues, anxiety, depression, etc. I love my work. I’m passionate about making a difference in the lives of the students who enter our program.
One of my most powerful tools is my well-grounded self. I know who I am. I’m solid in myself I’m not rattled by the intimidation, fear, and bizarre behavior that others put out there. I work hard to see the world from the perspective of the students and their parents. I am intentional with my work. Through my cognitive understanding, my passionate heart, and my intuitive gut, I’m able to find a balance in work. I have a great deal of experience and I believe I can see patterns quickly. I utilize evidence-based approaches of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Motivational Interviewing, and a Person-Centered and time-honored approach of 12 step. Not every approach works with every student. I’m also a huge fan of Brene Brown and her work. I work hard to link the approach with the needs of each student. One of my greatest passions in therapy is to speak to and from the heart. I have worked in many settings — wilderness is the most therapeutic environment and modality I know.
I love my family. I work hard to find a balance of love, boundary, responsibility, and play. I am married to an amazing woman and together we are raising 4 wonderful kids. I am in my element when we are together on an adventure. I enjoy running, rock climbing, mountain biking, and spending time in water. I love mountains, islands, and endurance sports. My greatest value is compassion. Two of my most spiritual moments were swimming with humpback whales in Tonga and riding a horse up the steep hills in Costa Rica.
Having a background in Therapeutic Recreation has led to a natural fit for me with the Wilderness therapy model. Allowing for and encouraging a child to venture forth and to be activated both physically and mentally allows them to open up and be naturally explorative of other options and avenues that present themselves. Letting nature do its good work allows us to gather intel and insight into what that specific child needs. These insights are often about the connection of the roots and meaning to a child’s behaviors and helps me to come alongside where the child is at understanding that behavior is not always rooted in intention; often they are not acting “badly” on purpose. Finding the workaround to each child’s counter-will trigger is something that truly brings me joy as we help them remove this obstacle they have felt was needed in their life.
Therapy is simply helping emotion do its work. The woods allow for a concentrated amount of time with this raw material of emotion and relationship is the context in which this emotion can be expressed. To help students break down how to approach what has been bogging them down, I empower them with some quick hitting successes by identifying skills they can gain mastery over. Once these are in place they are better able to find pathways to insights that will help them further their progress along the path to their growth potential. Through developing and tapping into deeper levels of attachment I am able to help support each child in their emergent process as he/she gains a sense of viability and vitality. This operationalizes the adaptive processes and helps with integrating across contexts.
Parents are a key part of this journey. By the time their child comes to the woods, most parents have tried many other avenues personally and through professionals with little to no progress. This frustration builds as they have often been told time and again “if you would do ___” or “you should’ve ________.” They fall prey to the “What Works” movement that has insisted on providing route answers to all parenting woes, and if those answers didn’t work then you are not doing it correctly. I work to help parents stop feeling dumbed down and look towards rebuilding and recognizing their natural intuition that matches the needs of their child. We work together to constantly reframe and ask what do I SEE instead of what should I DO. By expanding their concept of their child, we are able to reach new levels of their child, we are able to reach new levels of understanding to support their child through their growth journey.
I love to be constantly learning and growing. Sometimes that means seeing new places and meeting new people, and sometimes that means learning something new that might even put me outside of my comfort zone. I stay busy playing soccer, riding horses, running (half-marathons primarily but have signed up for yet a third round of torture with marathon #3), hiking, playing piano & guitar, camping, canyoneering, rock climbing, snowboarding, building things, and anything else that will get me out and about with my dog Teton. Family is very important to me and I spend a lot of time with all 10 of the very young children in my life ranging in age from 2 – 8 years old. They never cease to amaze me and make my world brighter for the role I get to play in their lives.
I deeply value warmth and curiosity in the therapeutic work I do with my teens, and operate under the belief that every student/client/human wants to do well in their life, wants to have meaningful connection, and wants to be understood. My work is also directed by the belief that positive emotions are expressions of needs that we have that are being met, while negative emotions are expressions of unmet needs. Exploring these needs and their complexities with my students and their families, in the context of their home environments and the communities they live in, is engaged through a skills-based approach that allows us to begin developing and practicing skills that allow these needs to be met in healthy ways. I’ve described to my teens before that therapy is not about “feeling better” (e.g. alleviating or removing negative emotions) but learning how to feel better (e.g. practicing awareness and acceptance of the multitude of feelings and thoughts that we are experiencing). With my teens, I take care to frame our work together as work that is never just about them as an individual, but about them as a member of a family unit and of multiple communities. Both my students and their families will be given honesty, respect, and unconditional positive regard in our work together.
I hail from Chicago, so it would be blasphemous if I did not list deep dish pizza as one of my personal interests. Besides eating good food with loved ones, I enjoy taking long walks around my neighborhood in Salt Lake City, and saying “hello” to as many dogs as I can. Surprisingly, I’m not a huge winter sports person (a somewhat blasphemous thing to say, here in Utah), though I do go sledding on occasion, and prefer my outdoors time to be spent hiking or camping. If you find me indoors, I’ll likely be reading a book or graphic novel, playing a video game, or strumming on my ukulele. I love seeking out new and novel experiences, engaging in story-telling and listening to stories, and learning from folks of all ages.
I have great reverence for the process of change and growth that students and their families go through while in treatment. I approach therapy as a humble participant in that change process. I embrace the power of relationships in inviting change. With over 25 years of experience in the adolescent treatment industry, I understand that change requires risk and healing can only happen in a safe and nurturing environment. The wilderness provides the perfect milieu for this to take place. I believe that students “would if they could” and often their self-destructive behaviors come from a shame-based view of themselves. When working with a student or parent, my mantra is “don’t get stuck in the thick of thin things”. Often students and parents are so focused on the immediate “problems” that it is difficult for them to recognize a way out of the challenges they face. I take a strength based, relational approach to therapy and love helping students discover their unique strengths and “see” their inherent value, often for the first time. My approach draws from cognitive behavioral therapy, motivational interviewing, dialectical behavioral therapy, mindfulness, and the 12-step model.
I have a calm and patient personality and am not easily rattled or offended. I am not threatened when a student’s behavior is oppositional or challenging and have years of experience de-escalating crisis. I am adept at seeing through a student’s defense mechanisms and using humor and kindness to gain a student’s confidence and trust. I work well with students who have co-occurring issues that come with addiction such as depression, anxiety, trauma and attachment issues. I have a passion for working with adolescents and their families and am grateful for the chance to be involved in the miracles that happen every day with those families.
When not at work, I can often be found on the soccer pitch refereeing amateur, high school, college, semi-pro and professional soccer. I serve on the Utah State Soccer Referee Committee and love mentoring up and coming referees. I enjoy golf, running, cycling, and anything that has to do with water. I have completed several half marathons, LOTAJA and the Salt to Saint cycling events. My wonderful wife and I are the proud parents to three amazing kids, two kid-in-laws and one grandson. I love spending as much time as possible with family especially if it involves a beach!
I love adventure. I love the unexpected growth, challenge, joy, beauty, pain and creativity that springs from entering into an unknown experience. Throughout my career I have come to appreciate and love supporting parents as they navigate the challenging experience of a struggling child. I work to give parents tools and support to help them approach their experience as an adventure that hopefully can bring growth, challenge, joy, beauty, pain and creativity.
My therapeutic style is experiential, collaborative and simple. I seek to create teaching experiences that help people learn ways to overcome, embrace or accept the challenges they face. I strive to find ways for others to discover their own solutions that work in their lives.
I love being outdoors, traveling, adventuring, experiencing the world. I love music, art, nature, literature. And now, as a mother of three girls, I love being with my family and experiencing the world together. Sometimes I enjoy pushing my body with challenges like rock climbing, triathlons, hiking, rafting. Sometimes I enjoy sitting and watching the sunrise or sunset. And staring into a fire. I feel like a citizen of the world and enjoy travel and getting to know different parts of the world.
DOGS IN L.I.F.E.
I think as human beings, we long for connection and belonging. Our experiences and the meaning we give to our experiences influence our attitudes, beliefs, behaviors, and relationships. I wholeheartedly believe in the therapeutic power of nature. As a teenager and young adult, my personal journey and struggles with mental health led me to seek relief in the outdoors. Nature has many gifts it gives to us, and it helps us mindfully reconnect with ourselves. Our bodies communicate with us and learning how to reconnect the mind and body is and essential part of the therapeutic process. The most rewarding moments I have had with students have occurred in the wilderness or while working with animals, especially horses. I have a passion for equine-assisted psychotherapy and have incorporated horses into individual, group, and family work in the past.
I describe my personal therapeutic approach as eclectic and draw from many theoretical approaches including Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), psychodynamic, narrative, person-centered, and solution-focused therapy. I am certified in Attachment-Focused Therapy and have extended training in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. I believe in strengths-based perspective, and am inspired by the resiliency of students. I have experience working with students who navigate challenges with mood disorders such as anxiety and depression, executive functioning deficits, substance use and addiction, attachment, trauma, and conflict in relationships. I see the therapeutic relationship as being the most important aspect of therapy. As such, I strive to create strong connections with my students and families through a curious, supportive, and nonjudgmental manner.
I am a proud Idaho native, and on my down time I enjoy spending time in the outdoors. You can usually find me rock climbing, bouldering, or mountain biking. I also enjoy hiking, white-water rafting, backpacking, and camping. My family is very important to me, and loving the teaching, playing, and exploring I get to experience in my new role as an aunt. I also enjoy running, yoga, and am attempting to learn how to play the ukulele. I enjoy brewing my own kombucha, pickling vegetables, and trying new recipes. I love animals and grew up riding and showing horses. My quirky and frisbee-loving dog, Leela, can also be found following at my heels on various adventures. Those close to me would describe me as fun-loving, compassionate, caring, humorous, and courageous.
My love and appreciation for the power of wilderness began in 1998 during my first backpacking course through the Wilderness Education Association. The stillness and calming effects of time spent outside and working with a group of humans who relied and encouraged one another made a lasting impression that ultimately led me to where I am today. My opportunities as a direct care staff in wilderness and residential settings, coupled with leadership roles in human resources, programming, marketing, and admissions departments in private pay and non-profit sectors, have allowed me to gain a wealth of experience and enhanced my pursuit for interconnection.
Throughout my career, my personal approach has been shaped by my fascination of human behavior, the extraordinary capacity of human connections, and the courageous journeys individuals embark upon to dig deep, lean in, and tap into their full potential. My hope is to create platforms and opportunities that invite people to identify their own values in order to discover their purpose and meaning, acknowledge their authentic self, and become agents of change.
I hold a vested interested in the support and advocacy of individuals who fall within marginalized and vulnerable populations. What rests within my core is an insatiable passion for the advocacy of female empowerment and multicultural awareness initiatives, which has led me to facilitating workshops, presentations, panel discussions, and process groups centering on such issues. I am a lover of arts, specifically of musicals and poetry slams, given the incredible way it can take us out of our day-to-day routines and foster the wonders of unlimited possibilities through imagination and play. My favorite personal interest would have to be my loved ones. No matter the distance, age, or length of relationship, they continue to push me to grow, to think critically and challenge status quo, and to celebrate all the parts of me that make me who I am.
I am honored and humbled to be able to assist parents at the beginning of their wilderness therapy journey. While I personally have witnessed the amazing “gift” of outdoor programs in my twenty plus years as an adolescent therapist, I still can only imagine the task parents face in determining how best to help their child. (Thus, I tend to look at each child’s unique challenges and strengths through the lens of a clinician and a parent myself.) For this reason, I want to share as much information about Outback as possible so that families feel confident in choosing our wonderful program and staff. I love instilling hope in the future and providing a glimpse of all that will be gained in the areas of their child’s self-worth and self-awareness, the healing of family relationships and education/training for parents, understanding and practicing healthy friendships, learning positive coping skills, and most importantly developing a plan for the future and motivating teens to continue their progress long after Outback. Though the child is the one benefiting from their direct experiences in the field, I believe the support, education and training for the family (or parents) is equally as important – starting with understanding all the aspects to Outback. I appreciate being able to use my life experiences, parenting experiences and professional experiences to support parents as they make possibly one of the most challenging decisions to help their child.
Growing up in a tight knit family as the third oldest of nine children, I tend to thrive on personal connections and relationships. My husband and I with our three children (12 year old twins and a 17 year old), live on a little bit of acreage with three dogs, two cats, two pygmy goats, chickens, ducks, rabbits, doves and quails. Amidst our busy schedules, we enjoy spending time in the beautiful outdoors in all four seasons. I have loved downhill skiing, photography and most importantly visiting with family and friends. Though I’ve given up my “thrill seeking” activities like bungee jumping and sky diving as I’ve grown older, I still seem to meet my need for excitement by balancing a very busy life and fitting everything into only 24 hours in a day. My goals are to return to carving out time for my own personal fitness so I may stay healthy for many years to come.
I have had the privilege of being in a family structure that loves unconditionally, holds strong boundaries, teaches work ethic and integrity, and embraces the uniqueness of each person. As I began looking at wilderness programs, the family component at Outback immediately spoke to my heart. A fundamental belief at Outback is that the success of the student is intricately and deeply connected to the health of the family system. While working with students as a Primary Therapist at Outback, I helped them work through the process of engagement, healing, reconnecting, and growing. My initial approach was to see the student for who they were: what was great about them. Our students all have greatness and I worked to help them see that their behaviors did not define them. As we pulled apart maladaptive behaviors from the individual, I helped students become actively engaged in their own therapeutic process. When students are engaged, we can begin the work of healing for them and their family as they review past experiences and begin to learn a healthy manner of handling their clinical challenges. As the healing continues, reconnection of the family begins. I firmly believe that my experience as a Primary Therapist, Program Director and Family Therapist have all provided me with a unique and well-rounded understanding of how to serve as a grounding support system for parents and family members throughout the admissions process.
I am an East Coast native and will always cherish my roots. I make it back to Philly multiple times a year and I have yet to lose my accent even after being in Utah for years. While my roots are my family back east, my soul is in the mountains. I came to Utah for two reasons: wilderness therapy and the mountains. There is a peace that fills my heart as I look to the mountains each morning. I am an outdoor enthusiast with skiing, mountain biking, and hiking as some of my favorite activities. I would rather be camping in a remote area than wander in the city. I also enjoy adrenaline sports and have enjoyed such adventures as sky-diving, hang-gliding, white water rapids, and bungee jumping. Along with a sense of adventure, I have a deep need to explore the world and love to travel. I have made my way to Europe, Asia, and all over the USA. I have found that my sense of adventure, my love of the outdoors, and my deep connection with my family and roots has helped me form strong connections with my students.